As far as the Illegal Aliens go- this is all a plan, part of the North American Union so is the Dollar Dropping, its all a plan.

If you truely want to be free, and protect freedom and liberty for your children, you need to open your mind and wake up, if you want to be part of the Solution, you need to Read the Constitution

This is an illegal war, they only way it Keeps Going is by Keeping Us Scared

You cant have a War on Terrorism with Open Borders, WAKE UP

THis war is Uconstitutional, Undeclared and We have no Business Policing the World, this is a Global Agenda and our Govt has allowed our Military to be used for purposes not allowed by the CONSTITUTION.

WANNA BE FREE?   READ THE CONSTITUTION, stop being AFRAID

As far as the Illegal Aliens go- this is all a plan, part of the North American Union so is the Dollar Dropping, its all a plan.

If you truely want to be free, and protect freedom and liberty for your children, you need to open your mind and wake up, if you want to be part of the Solution, you need to Read the Constitution

This is an illegal war, they only way it Keeps Going is by Keeping Us Scared

You cant have a War on Terrorism with Open Borders, WAKE UP

THis war is Uconstitutional, Undeclared and We have no Business Policing the World, this is a Global Agenda and our Govt has allowed our Military to be used for purposes not allowed by the CONSTITUTION.

WANNA BE FREE?   READ THE CONSTITUTION, stop being AFRAID

Sorry, I didn't clarify.  My focal point is the content of the bin Laden letters pointing to our meddling in the region (arms sales, non-objection to the use of chemical weapons on the kurds by Iraq, taking Iraq's side in the war with Iran).  Not necessarily the petition of redress itself.

I agree with the point that the Arab world, by and large, hasn't brought us great advances in science and technology.

I think we'd do better to spread the responsibility proportionately to the rest of the world.  Short of that, I believe we should stop before we cause our own demise.

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today.  Surely, you can look at issues on each one's individual merit, and I think that's what the current administration is doing, at our peril.  Just like any piece of machinery, however, a single piece doesn't make the machine operate.  If the camshaft fails, the machine fails.  If there's no fuel, the machine will not run.  If there's no spark, the air/fuel mixture will not ignite, etc.

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Regards,

Carl

Vered,

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Aid to Israel is not the sole reason.  Reality is we fund both Israel and her enemies.  We have a history of running clandestine and overt operations intervening in the landscape of the Middle East.  I will list several examples later. 

The current administration has adopted the neoconservative philosophy espoused by Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol.  Early members of the neoconservative movement include Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bill Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and Paul Wolfowitz.  One of the doctrines of this neoconservative philosophy is pre-emptive war.  This is not the crux of the problem, but just an invalidation of the Baghdad comment.  There were absolutely no grounds to attack Iraq as part of the "War on Terror" and was part of the "Bush Doctrine" prior to the 9/11 attacks.  If 75% of the attackers were Saudis, why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia?  We're picking and choosing, and the objective that the Iraq debacle is trying to accomplish is, to this day, unclear to me.  I'm all for going after terrorists, but not attacks on sovereign nations that result in nation-building and are financed at the expense of ordinary American citizens.  Are the costs in American lives and the crippling of the US economy worth an objective that is unclear?  I agree with the atrocious labeled placed on the use of mentally disabled women carrying out terror attacks.  It is yet another symptom of a larger disease.

I know, for Christians, defense of Israel is paramount.  I am a Christian and I support Israel's right to exist and defend herself.  I am also very aware of the birthright dispute between Isaac (son of Abraham's wife Sara) and Ishmael (son of Abraham's servanat Hagar, who was Abraham's first born son).  But we forget history.  The Jews who fought so hard to re-establish the Israeli state are extremely capable folk.  They have a modern military, advanced weaponry, and every adult civilian has a rank and a purpose in the IDF should they be needed to defend Israel.  Israel also has a sizeable nuclear arsenal.  Now, back to my previous statement, why then, do we continue to fund and sell advanced armament to Israel's Arab enemies?  Does this make any sense, whatsoever?  I think not.

To the real point of this, we have a long history of causing mischief in the Middle East.  Because there's so much information and I don't wish to clutter this board, here's a link to some of our past operations:

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0210-07.htm

Funny that we would overthrow elected governments in favor of brutal dictatorships.

Just as the Roman Empire, the British Colonial Empire and all other empires spread themselves so thin around the known world they eventually crumbled, ours will too.  The results are already being felt by our economy, our middle class and our citizens living below the poverty level.  Because tax revenues aren't enough to cover the cost of maintaining this empire, our currency must be inflated to keep up with the spending.  If this isn't understood, we are doomed to collapse.  We don't need to sever our ties with friendly nations, but we've got no business intervening in their affairs.  And don't give me any of that "it makes us more secure" rhetoric.  If security were the premise, why are our borders so porous.

Proof in the pudding is the collapse of the US dollar against the Canadian dollar.  Since 2002, it has fallen from 1.57 to 1.00.  All of these events are intertwined and dependent upon one another, and unless someone can step back and look at all these pieces of the big picture and how they relate to one another, our empirical decline will continue at the breakneck pace witnessed to

jcormier3,

I only disagree with you on one point.  You've been listening to neo-con rhetoric on the reasons for islamic terrorism too long.  It's not because they hate our freedom and prosperity.  

Check this out. 

http://www.givemeliberty.org/FreedomDrive/Redress/PetitionAidToIsrael.htm

Contrary to what the other 5 top Republican candidates are saying, Ron Paul is the only one who is right on why they attack us.

Rogersjoe, the GOOOH movement only addresses candidates for the US House of Representatives.

Some of us have all ready filed  for office, precinct chair, county chair,  council ect. .  Most  APPLICATIONS are being contested , even though  most apps. were  filed correctly . SO  next is  make an appeal to elections committee ,or  county judge.  THERE is the possibilty that   sophistbrother, and philosophislemom have judges and  committee chairs in their  pocket. IF this is so, what would be your next defense in order to get apps. overturned?